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wet-etching of polyimide
Shadyar Farhangfar
2003-04-12 01:34:10 UTC
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Dear All,

Does anybody happen to know about the wet-etching of
polyimide? Is there any "standard" etchant to wet-etch
polyimide layers?

Appreciating any hint,
Sh.Farhangfar

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Fariborz Nadi
2003-04-14 16:57:01 UTC
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Is it cured or not? If cured not much can be done, and if it is not you can not
etch it, only strip it. Do you mean you want to pattern PI with some other
masking material and then wet etch it?
Post by Shadyar Farhangfar
Dear All,
Does anybody happen to know about the wet-etching of
polyimide? Is there any "standard" etchant to wet-etch
polyimide layers?
Appreciating any hint,
Sh.Farhangfar
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ramji dhakal
2003-04-14 18:19:11 UTC
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hi mems workers,

i need to know the methods for testing stiction in
mems devices. Could anyone please let me know
something or refer a book/paper for the same?

Thanks a lot.

regards,

Ramji Dhakal

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_________________________________________________________________Ramji Dhakal

M S Mechanical Engineering,
SUNY Binghamton, NY

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Michael D Martin
2003-04-14 19:04:42 UTC
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Not entirely true. There is a group at CERN headed by Fabio Sauli that
regularly wet etches Dupont polyimide foils to make radiation detectors.
Search Nuclear Instruments and Methods (an Elsivier Pub.) for GEMs (Gas
Electron Multipliers). If you the reference maybe you could share them
with us.

-Mike
Is it cured or not? If cured not much can be done, and if it is not you
can not
etch it, only strip it. Do you mean you want to pattern PI with some
other
masking material and then wet etch it?
Post by Shadyar Farhangfar
Dear All,
Does anybody happen to know about the wet-etching of
polyimide? Is there any "standard" etchant to wet-etch
polyimide layers?
Appreciating any hint,
Sh.Farhangfar
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Robert Dean
2003-04-15 13:38:55 UTC
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Hello,

Some polymeric materials, such as LCP, can be etched with heated
KOH. Additionally, even though it is not a wet etch, many polymeric
materials can be etched with O2/Ar RIE, using a simple thin film patterned
metallic mask.

Sincerely,

Robert Dean
Post by Michael D Martin
Not entirely true. There is a group at CERN headed by Fabio Sauli that
regularly wet etches Dupont polyimide foils to make radiation detectors.
Search Nuclear Instruments and Methods (an Elsivier Pub.) for GEMs (Gas
Electron Multipliers). If you the reference maybe you could share them
with us.
-Mike
Is it cured or not? If cured not much can be done, and if it is not you
can not
etch it, only strip it. Do you mean you want to pattern PI with some
other
masking material and then wet etch it?
Post by Shadyar Farhangfar
Dear All,
Does anybody happen to know about the wet-etching of
polyimide? Is there any "standard" etchant to wet-etch
polyimide layers?
Appreciating any hint,
Sh.Farhangfar
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Helen Li
2003-04-21 18:24:29 UTC
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me the recipe for wet-etching of
silver film (on glass substrate)?

Thanks so much,
Helen


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Kirt & Erika Zipf-Williams
2003-04-24 07:25:48 UTC
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If you have CR-7 (Cr etchant) around,
we measured an Ag etch rate of 450 nm/min in it.
--Kirt Williams, Ph.D., consultant

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Post by Helen Li
Hi,
Can anyone tell me the recipe for wet-etching of
silver film (on glass substrate)?
Thanks so much,
Helen
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Andy Scholes
2003-04-16 07:16:55 UTC
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I did some work a few months ago on wet etching polyimide as a release process rather than for patterning. After extensive searching we finally identified an etch which would remove the polyimide. The results were mixed, however, and the etch we found was very aggressive. Careful thought must be given to the other layers on the wafer when using the etch, so it may not suit your needs.

Although I haven't given up completely with the wet etch, a dry etch is much easier to control and is more production friendly. There have been postings in the past on dry etching which you can find in the archives.

An alternative could be to use a photosensitive polyimide which you can pattern and develop. We have used PI2723 from HD Microsystems for several years and are very happy with the results. ( www..hdmicrosystems.com/conn/offices.html for contact details).

If you could give more details of the process you are running I may be able to offer a few tips.

Andy Scholes, Ph.D.
Utvecklingsingenjör
ACREO AB
SE 164 40 Kista
Sweden
Dear All,

Does anybody happen to know about the wet-etching of
polyimide? Is there any "standard" etchant to wet-etch
polyimide layers?

Appreciating any hint,
Sh.Farhangfar

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Conor O'Mahony
2003-04-16 13:13:59 UTC
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I too looked into the possibility of wet-etching polyimide and came to the
same conlusion as Andy (dry is better). There was some discussion on this
same topic on the board a few years ago; below are two of the more helpful
replies I received. A company called JT Baker were quite helpful also.

Regards,

Conor
NMRC Ireland.

Hi Conor:

Most of the replies I received indicated the
same method you are using: dry etching. Almost all
of the responses used a O2 barrel etcher of some sort.
I contacted DuPont and they said the only way
to remove cured polyimide was using hot fuming sulfuric
acid! Of course that is unacceptable since it would
attack everything else on the wafer. I tried hot TMAH,
EDP, and pure hot Ethelynediamine, but without success.
All of the above wet etchants attacked the field areas
very fast, but were unable to undercut my pads (now these
pads were very large 200 microns on each side). Of course
I had included access holes, but I was still having problems.
Therefore, I contact Dr. Mark Allen at the Georgia
Institute of Technology. He does a lot of work with sensors
and polyimide. The advice was to cure polyimide only if
the material was going to be an integral part of the sensor
or structure you are building. If the polyimide is being
used as a sacrificial layer and needs to be removed later,
do not cure, but softbake it. Of course, not completely
curing the polyimide entails that it is not as stable and
can be attacked more easily by strong bases (i.e. PR developer),
and solvents (IPA, ACE).
In my process, I bake the PI2545 at 150C for approximately
30 mins and then remove it later using a very strong base (hot).
Of course, since the PI is no longer cure, in order to pattern
or etch it, a wet etch process is necessary instead of dry
etching.
In summary, I would not completely cure the polyimide. However,
depending on your cure temperature and time, you could try using
a very hot (fuming even) strong base (TMAH) to see if it would attack
the polyimide. If your bridges are narrow or contain many access
holes it may be possible to etch the polyimide away.
Good luck and if you have any other questions, let me know.

***************************

The ease with which we can etch the polyimide depends on the degree of cross
linking of the polyimide. PRS-2000 may work fine, but we have had people
use some of our other PRS products as well. If you want to send us a sample
we could quickly check several products and make a recommendation for you.
If necessary later on we can decide
to do a quick test in the US for some other strippers.


Hoping to have informed you sufficiently.
http://www.jtbaker.nl <http://www.jtbaker.nl>





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I did some work a few months ago on wet etching polyimide as a release
process rather than for patterning. After extensive searching we finally
identified an etch which would remove the polyimide. The results were mixed,
however, and the etch we found was very aggressive. Careful thought must be
given to the other layers on the wafer when using the etch, so it may not
suit your needs.

Although I haven't given up completely with the wet etch, a dry etch is
much easier to control and is more production friendly. There have been
postings in the past on dry etching which you can find in the archives.

An alternative could be to use a photosensitive polyimide which you can
pattern and develop. We have used PI2723 from HD Microsystems for several
years and are very happy with the results. (
www..hdmicrosystems.com/conn/offices.html for contact details).

If you could give more details of the process you are running I may be able
to offer a few tips.

Andy Scholes, Ph.D.
Utvecklingsingenjör
ACREO AB
SE 164 40 Kista
Sweden
Dear All,

Does anybody happen to know about the wet-etching of
polyimide? Is there any "standard" etchant to wet-etch
polyimide layers?

Appreciating any hint,
Sh.Farhangfar

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a***@ee.washington.edu
2003-04-16 17:06:17 UTC
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Hi,

I use a photosensitive Polyimide to pattern my structures.
PI2721 behaves like -ve photoresist.
During development it is important that no water is in
contact with the Polyimide.

After development and spin drying to remove any liquid in
contact with the Polyimide surface, the Polyimide is cured.

Hope this helps

Best wishes
Anupama
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Mac Daily
2003-04-17 21:29:44 UTC
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Hello Sh. Farhangfar,

I have been following all the recent discussions on wet-etching of
polyimides. As polyimide is a broad catagory of materials, I am not
sure just what you were looking for.

If you have a specific polyimide that you are using, please identify it.
There may be a etch procedure for it.

If you need a polyimide that is etchable in positive photoresist
developer (i.e. TMAH solution) and compatible with photoresist, Brewer
Science has a number of materials. They fall into three categories,
anti-reflective coatings, passivation layers and lift-off/sacrifical
layers. Our anti-reflective coatings are thin (< 200nm) and have a bake
window of 160 to 180 degrees Celsius. Passivation layers are from 0.1
to 6 microns in thickness with a bake window of 140 to 180C. Finally,
PiRL III as a lift-off/sacrifical material ranges in thickness from 1 to
10 microns with a bake window of 200 to 350+C.

The bake windows determine the etch properties. If you bake lower
than the bottom temperature, the layer will wash off in the developer.
If you bake above the upper number, the material will not etch. Inside
the window the etch rate decreases as bake temperature/time increase.

If you have any questions please contact me. You can also check out the
Brewer Science website at http://www.brewerscience.com

Best wishes,

Mac Daily


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